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Title: Does it stay?

Date Posted: Sun Feb/07/10 at 1:56pm

Wolfclan14

Posts: 323
Joined: 23 Jan 10

Ok, say I have a Vampire Nighthawk equipped with a Blade of the Bloodchief (or any other Enchantment), and it goes to the graveyard. Then I play, Raise Dead, and bring it back to my hand, does the Blade of the Bloodchief (other Enchantment) come back also?

Or say I regenerate it somehow, does it stay on and still has the +1/+1 counters on it?

Date Posted: Sun Feb/07/10 at 2:05pm

Twogunkid

Posts: 1051
Joined: 22 Jan 10

Sorry your tokens and enchantment are gone. Unless it says comes into play with X +1/+1 counters.

Date Posted: Sun Feb/07/10 at 2:59pm

Wolfclan14

Posts: 323
Joined: 23 Jan 10

Oh, because I was at a tournament and I asked a guy who has played in Pro toruneys and I asked him and he said yes about the Regenerate part.

Date Posted: Sun Feb/07/10 at 5:10pm

Turbine

Posts: 4213
Joined: 26 Oct 09

If you regenerate it, it never dies so it keeps it's counters and the enchantment. Also, Blade of the Bloodchief is an equipment, not an enchantment.

[Edited by Turbine on 7/Feb/10 at 5:11PM]

Date Posted: Sun Feb/07/10 at 5:22pm

gericault5

Posts: 1078
Joined: 13 Oct 09

as turbine said blade of the bloodchief is an equipment so it does not leave play if the equiped creature was destroyed (it stays equiped if the creature regenerates), however, since it was mentioned if it was an enchantment on the destoryed creature, it would not come back with the raise dead since it is a seperate object it will need a seperate method to bring back an enchantment

[Edited by gericault5 on 7/Feb/10 at 5:23PM]

Date Posted: Tue Feb/09/10 at 8:37am

Wolfclan14

Posts: 323
Joined: 23 Jan 10

Ok, So Blade of the Bloodchief would stay in play WITHOUT the Counters if the Nighthawk was destroyed?

Date Posted: Tue Feb/09/10 at 8:45am

shakii23

Posts: 4202
Joined: 08 Sep 09

To explain it clearly, let's say you are a creature in MtG. If an equipment is equipped on you (let us say, a notebook for example), if you die, will the thing that you write on your notebook, disappear? Of course not. That is how equipment works, until they are destroyed it is still there in play.

But if you just memorize the knowledge you learned and not write it on your notebook, then you die, the knowledge is gone with you. That is how enchantment work.

Date Posted: Tue Feb/09/10 at 8:48am

shakii23

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Joined: 08 Sep 09

And yes, the counters will be gone because the counter is on the creature.

Date Posted: Tue Feb/09/10 at 9:56am

psyche

Posts: 640
Joined: 31 Aug 09

This is going to be technical. A counter is attached to the creature that it is affecting. If the creature leaves play then the counter has nothing to be attached to and leaves play. If a creature leaves play while it has a creature enchantment attached, the creature enchantment has no valid target and goes to the graveyard. A equip is different since when the creature it is attached to leaves play it stays in play. It also doesn't enter play attached to a creature. Basically a equip is an artifact that can be attached to a creature, but doesn't have to be. +1/+1 tokens and creature enchantments have to be attached.

Regenerating a creature is a key word. When a creature uses regenerate "The next time that creature would be destroyed this turn, it isn't. Instead tap it, remove all damage from it, and remove it from combat".

A creature that is regenerated never leaves play so all counters and creature enchantments stay attached.

Date Posted: Tue Feb/09/10 at 10:08am